tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post6802052370929882134..comments2023-10-03T04:23:48.046-07:00Comments on Reformed Mafia: A Raid on the Speak-EasyMachine Gun Kelleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17501532765910479437noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-23831242705795289752007-08-12T06:59:00.000-07:002007-08-12T06:59:00.000-07:00David,Welcome to the Speak-Easy, on behalf of the ...David,<BR/><BR/>Welcome to the Speak-Easy, on behalf of the rest of the Mafia.<BR/><BR/>You got lumped-in with us: that either means you're doing something right, or something wrong...<BR/><BR/>It's always good to find a new "friendly" though! God bless.<BR/><BR/>GordanGordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527530618839981892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-24430350937514850892007-08-11T20:56:00.000-07:002007-08-11T20:56:00.000-07:00Hello brothers. This is Dave Block from Apostate ...Hello brothers. This is Dave Block from Apostate Arminian. Perhaps you have seen my name somewhere; maybe on the very same hit list of Mr. Thibodau? Yes, I received the very same email and challenge as all of you and, I must say, I was planning on responding back. Now that I have seen your responses and his, I have nothing to respond to. You have said everything that I was going to say. So since your comments have seemed to hit the impenetrable wall of eisegesis, I don't think my guns will have much effect either. Josh, if you read this, I'm sorry buddy, but I'm not going to jump down this rabbit hole. I'll let the mob handle this one.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work, men. You're welcome to visit our hole in the wall, anyday. Will keep the good stuff for ya.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-46524792286050887592007-08-10T16:37:00.000-07:002007-08-10T16:37:00.000-07:00. Scribe, you're free to at any timeNope...not goi...<I>. Scribe, you're free to at any time</I><BR/><BR/>Nope...not going to call another brother a jerk. ;D<BR/><BR/><I>Like your avatar btw, Vincent was always my favorite FF7 character even before the movies/quasi-sequels came out. Actually a big fan of the series myself (I'm not a geek -- I'm THE geek).</I><BR/><BR/>Isn't Vincent the coolest FF7 character? He needs his own cinematic debut. I just wish Square -Enix would remake FF7 on the PS3...now THAT would be cool!<BR/><BR/>Your fellow "geek",<BR/>ScribeScribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963170918571560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-87522772218863846172007-08-10T14:08:00.000-07:002007-08-10T14:08:00.000-07:00Alright gentlemen, then at Josh's request I will c...Alright gentlemen, then at Josh's request I will conclude my posting here. Josh, thanks for the email address, I assume that's Albert Mohler. Scribe, you're free to at any time. Like your avatar btw, Vincent was always my favorite FF7 character even before the movies/quasi-sequels came out. Actually a big fan of the series myself (I'm not a geek -- I'm THE geek). And Rhett, thank you for your answer, I'll update soon as I can. God bless!J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-82375629599888560302007-08-09T19:33:00.001-07:002007-08-09T19:33:00.001-07:00...on my Rant blog that is!...on my Rant blog that is!Machine Gun Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501532765910479437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-37354314259036598192007-08-09T19:33:00.000-07:002007-08-09T19:33:00.000-07:00I have posted my reply...I have posted my reply...Machine Gun Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501532765910479437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-78889681034769267782007-08-09T17:32:00.000-07:002007-08-09T17:32:00.000-07:00Hey J.C...let's "bag" the Ad Homs. and move throug...Hey J.C...let's "bag" the <I>Ad Homs.</I> and move through the real issues at hand, k?Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963170918571560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-81111579172198417022007-08-09T17:27:00.000-07:002007-08-09T17:27:00.000-07:00Cute. Yeah, yeah, motive accusation is the first t...<I>Cute. Yeah, yeah, motive accusation is the first tool of those with no case.</I><BR/><BR/>I was merely stipulating why I thought you were rather narcissistic... We've not interacted, how know ye what I have outside of assumption?<BR/><BR/><I>A. You guys use the word 'hit' in a similar context all the time, forgive me for stealing your pun.</I><BR/>I see your point...though I do not see why you wish to engage in this discussion/debate as you will neither convince us nor we you.<BR/><BR/><I>B. A person who makes sweeping accusations of heresy then insist on not backing them is cowardly; it's called unfounded accusation: spade == spade.</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps...but I feel that you are merely being perjorative for the sake of some egotistic trip...though I could be wrong.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Ca. Did you actually read that guy's article? He truly is a fanatic. My response was actually rooted a bit more in emotion than most of my articles, but it wasn't pride...</I><BR/><BR/>No I have not nor am I familiar with him. You would know better than I would...<BR/><BR/><I>Cb. Brandenburg bragged quite a bit about his debate, a little humble pie won't hurt him. I didn't put my name in the title, but I can't help if you don't like the language I employ for my introductions sometimes.</I><BR/><BR/><I>D. You're sure quick to throw such an accusation (I wish I could sense motives through HTML). But for sake of argument, you are free to assume that I'm the most narcissistic jerk on planet earth, which has absolutely zero bearing on the argument itself. God bless!</I><BR/><BR/>True, but I've not so much as called you a "jerk"...are you hyper-emoting?Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963170918571560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-27939060621521153902007-08-09T16:45:00.000-07:002007-08-09T16:45:00.000-07:00In fact, send your challenge to amohler@sbts.eduIn fact, send your challenge to amohler@sbts.eduJoshua A. Hitchcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16249446425823291103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-38982010708332458192007-08-09T16:43:00.000-07:002007-08-09T16:43:00.000-07:00what's your deal man...we have been showing you ex...what's your deal man...we have been showing you exegesis....thats all you wanted, so update your site, and go challenge some other folks. We will deal with your assertions one at a time. There is no need for further commenting here.Joshua A. Hitchcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16249446425823291103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-31200902368218672752007-08-09T16:19:00.000-07:002007-08-09T16:19:00.000-07:00Ah yes, argument by outrage. You know, I know not ...Ah yes, argument by outrage. You know, I know not a few people who'd find Gordan's Homer with a small brain picture a bit offensive in that context (can you say 'Raca'). It didn't bother me. But if you wish to preach about non-mushy descriptive metaphors...well, need I say more?J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-29008973845655373552007-08-09T15:53:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:53:00.000-07:00Joshua, if you want to prove us wrong about the ac...Joshua, if you want to prove us wrong about the accusations of your prideful mentality, it won't be with coments like the one you have just written. The wording you use is very prideful. All I am doing is admonishing you to use more edifying words than hammered and thrashed. Saying you hammered another believer or thrashed him, I do not believe is very glorifying to God...Just a thought...Joshua A. Hitchcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16249446425823291103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-45959248932558233172007-08-09T15:50:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:50:00.000-07:00JC,I don't blame you for emotion in your response ...JC,<BR/><BR/>I don't blame you for emotion in your response to Brandenburg! I feel for you. He is a ferocious opponent. I should know! He would as vociferously oppose our position as yours, though. He's a strict fundamentalist with his own extremely modified, Calvinistic-like view. He eschews the words Calvinist and Arminian alike.Bob Haytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05176224396073767674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-6402809788047863432007-08-09T15:38:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:38:00.000-07:00Cute. Yeah, yeah, motive accusation is the first t...Cute. Yeah, yeah, motive accusation is the first tool of those with no case.<BR/><BR/>A. You guys use the word 'hit' in a similar context all the time, forgive me for stealing your pun.<BR/><BR/>B. A person who makes sweeping accusations of heresy then insist on not backing them is cowardly; it's called unfounded accusation: spade == spade.<BR/><BR/>Ca. Did you actually read that guy's article? He truly is a fanatic. My response was actually rooted a bit more in emotion than most of my articles, but it wasn't pride...<BR/><BR/>Cb. Brandenburg bragged quite a bit about his debate, a little humble pie won't hurt him. I didn't put my name in the title, but I can't help if you don't like the language I employ for my introductions sometimes.<BR/><BR/>D. You're sure quick to throw such an accusation (I wish <B>I</B> could sense motives through HTML). But for sake of argument, you are free to assume that I'm the most narcissistic jerk on planet earth, which has absolutely zero bearing on the argument itself. God bless!J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-37063974276831894832007-08-09T15:25:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:25:00.000-07:00Bob...your secret is safe with me, LOL!Bob...your secret is safe with me, LOL!Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963170918571560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-38805706265580813312007-08-09T15:24:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:24:00.000-07:00It's been fun, just don't tell my fundy friends I'...It's been fun, just don't tell my fundy friends I've been hanging out near the mafia's stills!Bob Haytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05176224396073767674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-9731069739035294882007-08-09T15:07:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:07:00.000-07:00Hey Bob...thanks for your thoughtful insights...it...Hey Bob...thanks for your thoughtful insights...it's a pleasure having you meander around the "Mafia" ;DScribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963170918571560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-66760895482308726012007-08-09T15:06:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:06:00.000-07:00Obi-Wan: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."Obi Wan ...<I>Obi-Wan: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."</I><BR/><BR/>Obi Wan was a post modern? [[goes into a secluded corner to weep bitterly]]<BR/><BR/>Hey J.C....can you update your website given the fact that some of us have responded to your charges?Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963170918571560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-5249899197028179172007-08-09T15:02:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:02:00.000-07:00Secondly, and if trying to refute a specific view ...<I>Secondly, and if trying to refute a specific view makes me narcissistic</I><BR/><BR/>Your parlance towards theological frameworks that you vehemently oppose make you narcissistic.<BR/><BR/>Exhibit A:<BR/><BR/><I>8/7/2007 - Put the <B>hit</B> on the Reformed Mafia, Rhett Kelley, Josh Hitchcock, Gordon Runyan, Sam Meza, Seth Fuller, Douglas Mabry. I might also add Trevor Almy of Reformed Orthodoxy, but I couldn't find his contact info.</I> <BR/><BR/>Exhibit B:<BR/><BR/><I>February 2, 2007 - <B>The Cowardly Lion[sic] gets tamed in my Rebuttal</B> to "The False Gospel of Conditional Security".</I><BR/><BR/>Exhibit C:<BR/><BR/><I><B>J.C. Thibodaux biblically thrashes infant damnation fanatic[sic]</B>, K.B. Napier.</I><BR/>Exhibit C:<BR/><BR/><I>Unconditional Security proponent and debater Kent Brandenburg <B>gets hammered in debate that took only 2 posts</B></I>.<BR/><BR/>I sense gratuitous pride and arrogance...hence my comment on your narcissicism.<BR/><BR/>Need we any further witnesses?Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14963170918571560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-70244824957264570022007-08-09T14:41:00.000-07:002007-08-09T14:41:00.000-07:00Hey guys, thanks for the kind words. I work night...Hey guys, thanks for the kind words. I work nights so I can't always follow discussions as closely as I might like to.<BR/><BR/>I left a response on Gordan's second challenge response post on his incredible blog, which focuses on what Scripture tells us about how to view those who do appear to fall away.<BR/><BR/>One other thing about the challenge, he says you can't really harmonize or explain passages away. A seeming contradiction is a real contradiction. But then he does that very thing himself with 1 Pet. 1 "kept by the power of God through faith". Ultimately we all need to aim to be honest with all the Scriptural evidence and do our best to avoid pitting passages against each other. The Biblical message should harmonize well, this is all part of rightly dividing the word of truth.<BR/><BR/>I wish JC would interact with 1 John 2:19, too. <BR/><BR/>Anyways, this discussion has been interesting and I pray we all are prodded along into a more heartfelt trusting on Jesus' alone for our eternal acceptance with God.<BR/><BR/>Blessings from the cross,<BR/><BR/>BobBob Haytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05176224396073767674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-51265457014513247052007-08-09T14:39:00.000-07:002007-08-09T14:39:00.000-07:00Rhett, sorry the email never got to you, maybe I m...Rhett, sorry the email never got to you, maybe I mis-copied it. I sent it to rhettswhips ATTTT a site named for some guys in a Jonathan Swift novel.<BR/><BR/>White actually had Escobedo write me with the answer. Their conclusion: Revelation is not a didactic book, and therefore is not authoritative as books that are (e.g. Romans & John). That was it. Kind of a lackluster answer from such a good author (you know that whole "all scripture is inspired" thing). I give a response to it on my pages concerning Rev 22. You can find my debate with one of the guys I mentioned at http://www.indeathorlife.org/debate/taleprologue.php<BR/><BR/>I'll let you guess which one it is. His ultimate analysis of the passage was that it was an anthropomorphism, though he never specified for what.<BR/><BR/>I lost the other email with the other guy, but it is hardly worth publishing. He relied almost solely on appeal to authority (which I've even read another Calvinist complain about him doing) and never actually addressed my question :(<BR/><BR/>Josh, as I indicated in my email, I don't reject commentaries entirely, though I don't rely on them either, I don't think I'm smarter than generations of writers combined (probably substantially dumber than many of them), but they are not my teachers, for I have only one true teacher. Also, quotes and ideas from any commentary you like are welcome if you write a response.<BR/><BR/>Gordan (got the spelling right this time!), thanks for the advice. I try to sneak a bit of humor into my stuff every now and again, though it's very subtle. My sense of humor is...bizarre. Though today at work I came up with a way they could have made Star Wars Episode 3 better:<BR/><BR/>Anakin: "If you're not with me, you're my enemy!"<BR/>Obi-Wan: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."<BR/>Anakin: "Are you absolutely sure?"<BR/><BR/>Anyway, it's good talking to you guys. I don't know if you're a native to the area Rhett, but I'm also a from the South (Mississippi).J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-16911743946940155802007-08-09T13:40:00.000-07:002007-08-09T13:40:00.000-07:00Gordan,Funny thing... I never even got an email ab...Gordan,<BR/><BR/>Funny thing... I never even got an email about the "challenge", yet my name and address appears on this fellow's site as if I had a clue he was pulling this stunt. (The first I heard of it was when you emailed me about it!!) <BR/><BR/>The whole tone and way J.C. is handling this challenge is actually a big incentive for me to ignore it altogether and let him continue to go around tilting at windmills. In spite of all that, I am working on a response... <BR/><BR/>Oh Yeah, I'd love to see the debate with James White too!Machine Gun Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17501532765910479437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-77701141047043010002007-08-09T13:24:00.000-07:002007-08-09T13:24:00.000-07:00have already addressed some of the higher level Ca...have already addressed some of the higher level Calvinists, C. Matthew McMahon, James White, and John Hendryx with Revelation 22:19 specifically; none could give a very good answer.<BR/><BR/>No one could give a good enough answer to suit because they do not begin with the same presuppositions as you do. You are already convinced that Calvinism is not biblical, so no matter what anyone says, you will reject it as being unbiblical, despite whatever exegesis of the text they provide. However, who makes you the decider of what is consistent with Scripture or not? For someone who rejects men who are much smarter than yourself, by rejecting commentaries, you can't expect us to take you very seriously.Joshua A. Hitchcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16249446425823291103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-68015156009131076572007-08-09T11:14:00.000-07:002007-08-09T11:14:00.000-07:00By the way, maybe you could post the links to the ...By the way, maybe you could post the links to the places where guys like James White responded to you, and so obviously failed to provide a good answer.<BR/><BR/>At the end of every boxing match which has gone to final bell, both boxers raise their hands in victory. They both think they won.<BR/><BR/>So you'll forgive us if we don't just take your word for it that you crushed all these Calvinist heavyweights, without seeing the evidence.Gordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527530618839981892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-415658708707994862.post-22317928764846824092007-08-09T11:03:00.000-07:002007-08-09T11:03:00.000-07:00JC,I think the nacissism he was referring to was n...JC,<BR/><BR/>I think the nacissism he was referring to was not in the simple attempt to refute a system you don't agree with. <BR/><BR/>I think he was speaking specifically about the tone of your site, which (maybe you'd be interested to know) from the emails I've been getting, seems to strike folks as arrogant. As a guy who jokes around a lot, I think you can get away with some of that as long as you also include some clearly self-deprecating humor as well. That way people know you don't really take yourself that seriously.Gordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527530618839981892noreply@blogger.com